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37 Responses to “The end of the Celtics-Hawks, game 4”
commercial. whatever happens with this series, the rondo-cassell thing is the biggest question mark for the celtics, despite how good rondo’s been all year and how good cassell used to be. can the platoon work?
yea this sort of puts the stones struggles in perspective. Does this mean anything going forward for atlanta, regardless of how this series ends up turning out? Josh Smith is really, really gifted athletically. I’ve always thought pretty highly of Joe Johnson too, but this was just rediculous. I mean they are obviously really young, Horford is going to be an 18 and 10 guy in my opinion, Joe John is already a 20 ppg scorer. Marvin Williams and Josh Childress bring length and athleticism. I mean this team could be really, really good. Imagine if they had CP3 out there running the point. Actually don’t imagine that, it wouldn’t bode well for the stones.
how big was the bibby pickup for the hawks? that was a good move i felt the entire time. bibby, zaza, smith, johnson and player ____ . not bad team there
also. notice the atlanta fans, totally into it. this is now a crowd you see at detroit games or lakers games. why is that? have the lakers been too good too long? are our fans passive now to our relative success?
the atlanta fans were yelling at refs standing up on every call, cheering like crazy. it was great was almost as fun as the game.
i will never move to atlanta, no matter how good the food is jerry. seems like a heat dungeon. i need a body of water next to me.
yeah, the palace crowds always seem dead. not sure why.
if the hawks had dwill or chris paul, they’d be unreal. horford is the truth, smith and johnson are all-star-level players. zaza doesn’t bring much, though zach seems pretty excited about him.
i’m not sure about the bibby trade. they gave up shelden williams, who’s decent, and it’s not like they’re going to contend for the title with bibby. i really liked acie law in college, i wish he had more time to develop.
Smith on the Detroit Pistons underachieving: “(The Pistons) are the student in class that doesn’t have to study to get a ‘B’. Then if that student studies, they are an ‘A’ student. So some nights, they say they’ll be a ‘B’ but their opponent, who might be inferior, will raise their game up to a ‘B+’ and you lose games. If they come in early, study more and come in more mentally prepared and they can beat this team easily.”
Webber on how to handle Pistons center Rasheed Wallace when he was in jeopardy of receiving a technical foul: “I had a good relationship with him and I would say, ‘do you want to get a tech, do you think you need it, what do you want to do?’ He knows, he’s not going to get kicked out in a game like this, even thought I think it was Game #6 in Cleveland last year that he got kicked out, but he’ll compose himself. He’ll probably calm down a little in the second half.”
Webber on the feeling in the locker room during halftime: “No disrespect to Flip (Saunders), but it doesn’t matter what Flip says, because they take on the personality of Joe Dumars. Rip (Hamilton), Chauncey (Billups), Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed (Wallace) and (Antonio) McDyess are very mad right now, they probably aren’t even talking and they are probably just saying, ‘ok we’re going to go win this game.”
Barkley on why he doesn’t think the Pistons have the personality of Pistons president and legend Joe Dumars: “I don’t know about that. Joe Dumars was a stud, played hard the whole time, and that team coasts. They’ve had the best record in the East for the last four or five years because they were much better than everybody in the East, but now these other teams have gotten better and they haven’t been back to the Finals. Joe Dumars (has) got to be rolling over in his grave.”
Webber: “Joe will come down to the locker room and tell everybody I don’t know what you think you’re doing, I’ll trade everybody.”
Yeah i hope this series gives a little perspective to us pistons fans who were wailing after being down 2-1. (jerry)
The hawks are going to get blown out in game 5.
They are young and exciting and won 2 playoff games but i don’t see enough improvement coming from within a 37 win team or whatever they were to actually be a title contender any time soon.
They have Joe Johnson making franchise player type money when he’s really more of complimentary player….would you trade rip for him?
Starting next season their best player might be Horford. He’ll never be the most gifted athletically but he’ll be the best basketball player.
No team with josh smith as a leader will ever go anywhere meaningful.
All this said, theres no reason they shouldn’t improve next season and get themselves at least over .500 and be a winning team but thats still a far cry from a championship contender.
The thing about that johnson contract, i don’t know the hawks contract situations but it seems like they aren’t going to be able to pay all these guys the money they want. This may be a situation where a team doesn’t have that long to grow together.
It shouldn’t be that surprising that the hawks won their home games, they were 25-16 at home and just 12-29 on the road during the regular season.
No, joe dumars should never coach. His legacy would never be the same if he tried his hat at coaching. He has the respect of everyone because he’s smart enough to know where he’s best, which is in the front office.
Josh smith has great athletic ability but i don’t like his mentality. He’s certainly not a superstar but yes, he’s a good player.
He is not going to trade the whole team, thats a bad idea.
A better question is this, what tweak can be made in the off season to re-energize this team and give them more focus and desire without dropping the overall talent level. I’m not sure the young players are going to take a big enough step to actually come in and make a difference, this might be summer to make a 2 star for 1 type trade…but i’m not sure you can get the production back that you are going to be sending out, i don’t like the idea of taking a step back and missing the playoffs or any of that, i like winning.
While we all complain about the pistons dropping a game they shouldn’t lose to Philadelphia, its a much better alternative to have high expectations and a team that could possibly win the championship rather than a 30 win team where we are hoping the draft can bring us a star to help us next season.
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April 28, 2008 at 10:45 pm |
Rondo out for Cassell, huge three by posey to cut the Hawks’ lead to three.
April 28, 2008 at 10:45 pm |
Even huger offensive rebound by Childress!
April 28, 2008 at 10:46 pm |
Hawks by three, with two freebies coming, 40 seconds left.
April 28, 2008 at 10:46 pm |
When did Atlanta get a crowd?
Joe Johnson hits the first.
April 28, 2008 at 10:46 pm |
missed the second.
April 28, 2008 at 10:47 pm |
Paul pierce gets wide open by the hoop, loses the ball, misses the layup.
April 28, 2008 at 10:47 pm |
Hawks by four, 26.2 left, smith at the line. courtney’s favorite player.
April 28, 2008 at 10:47 pm |
First one down.
April 28, 2008 at 10:48 pm |
smith has seven blocks, btw
April 28, 2008 at 10:48 pm |
time out celtics, 26 seconds left, down six.
note to self: move to atlanta.
April 28, 2008 at 10:49 pm |
commercial. whatever happens with this series, the rondo-cassell thing is the biggest question mark for the celtics, despite how good rondo’s been all year and how good cassell used to be. can the platoon work?
April 28, 2008 at 10:50 pm |
childress’s fro looks extra big considering how many bald guys the celtics throw out there.
ray allen with the dunk. celtics down four with 18.7.
April 28, 2008 at 10:50 pm |
that’s right, ray allen with the dunk.
April 28, 2008 at 10:51 pm |
this atlanta starting five is pretty formidable.
April 28, 2008 at 10:51 pm |
on paper.
April 28, 2008 at 10:51 pm |
nice stalling by the hawks, four more ticks gone off the clock.
April 28, 2008 at 10:52 pm |
joe johnson is playing OUT OF HIS MIND.
April 28, 2008 at 10:52 pm |
joe john sinks two, six point lead.
April 28, 2008 at 10:53 pm |
woah, posey hit ANOTHER THREE. what a pick up he’s turned out to be for the celtics. three point game, four seconds left.
April 28, 2008 at 10:54 pm |
home court is BIG in the nba.
April 28, 2008 at 10:54 pm |
home cooking and all that. ibet the food is good in ATL.
April 28, 2008 at 10:55 pm |
sign me up for the hawks’ bandwagon. i’m there.
April 28, 2008 at 10:55 pm |
smith back at the line. first one in. game time.
April 28, 2008 at 10:56 pm |
sinks the second. jesus, HUGE WIN. 2-2.
the c’s now have less momentum than the stones. that’s a good thing.
ENOUGH FOR NOW.
April 28, 2008 at 11:00 pm |
jsmith is the dope stuff. i like how courtney thinks.
April 28, 2008 at 11:01 pm |
yea this sort of puts the stones struggles in perspective. Does this mean anything going forward for atlanta, regardless of how this series ends up turning out? Josh Smith is really, really gifted athletically. I’ve always thought pretty highly of Joe Johnson too, but this was just rediculous. I mean they are obviously really young, Horford is going to be an 18 and 10 guy in my opinion, Joe John is already a 20 ppg scorer. Marvin Williams and Josh Childress bring length and athleticism. I mean this team could be really, really good. Imagine if they had CP3 out there running the point. Actually don’t imagine that, it wouldn’t bode well for the stones.
April 28, 2008 at 11:01 pm |
how big was the bibby pickup for the hawks? that was a good move i felt the entire time. bibby, zaza, smith, johnson and player ____ . not bad team there
April 28, 2008 at 11:06 pm |
also. notice the atlanta fans, totally into it. this is now a crowd you see at detroit games or lakers games. why is that? have the lakers been too good too long? are our fans passive now to our relative success?
the atlanta fans were yelling at refs standing up on every call, cheering like crazy. it was great was almost as fun as the game.
i will never move to atlanta, no matter how good the food is jerry. seems like a heat dungeon. i need a body of water next to me.
April 29, 2008 at 8:11 am |
yeah, the palace crowds always seem dead. not sure why.
if the hawks had dwill or chris paul, they’d be unreal. horford is the truth, smith and johnson are all-star-level players. zaza doesn’t bring much, though zach seems pretty excited about him.
i’m not sure about the bibby trade. they gave up shelden williams, who’s decent, and it’s not like they’re going to contend for the title with bibby. i really liked acie law in college, i wish he had more time to develop.
April 29, 2008 at 8:35 am |
kenny talked about chris webber’s thoughts on the stones from the tnt broadcast. well, someone went and transcribed a ton of good analysis:
http://thestartingfive.net/2008/04/28/nba-on-tnt-playoff-notes-the-detroit-pistons-pull-even/
via truehoop, via detroit bad boys
Smith on the Detroit Pistons underachieving: “(The Pistons) are the student in class that doesn’t have to study to get a ‘B’. Then if that student studies, they are an ‘A’ student. So some nights, they say they’ll be a ‘B’ but their opponent, who might be inferior, will raise their game up to a ‘B+’ and you lose games. If they come in early, study more and come in more mentally prepared and they can beat this team easily.”
Webber on how to handle Pistons center Rasheed Wallace when he was in jeopardy of receiving a technical foul: “I had a good relationship with him and I would say, ‘do you want to get a tech, do you think you need it, what do you want to do?’ He knows, he’s not going to get kicked out in a game like this, even thought I think it was Game #6 in Cleveland last year that he got kicked out, but he’ll compose himself. He’ll probably calm down a little in the second half.”
Webber on the feeling in the locker room during halftime: “No disrespect to Flip (Saunders), but it doesn’t matter what Flip says, because they take on the personality of Joe Dumars. Rip (Hamilton), Chauncey (Billups), Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed (Wallace) and (Antonio) McDyess are very mad right now, they probably aren’t even talking and they are probably just saying, ‘ok we’re going to go win this game.”
Barkley on why he doesn’t think the Pistons have the personality of Pistons president and legend Joe Dumars: “I don’t know about that. Joe Dumars was a stud, played hard the whole time, and that team coasts. They’ve had the best record in the East for the last four or five years because they were much better than everybody in the East, but now these other teams have gotten better and they haven’t been back to the Finals. Joe Dumars (has) got to be rolling over in his grave.”
Webber: “Joe will come down to the locker room and tell everybody I don’t know what you think you’re doing, I’ll trade everybody.”
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that’s the best website in the world, big ups to the good people at http://thestartingfive.net/
April 29, 2008 at 9:58 am |
Yeah i hope this series gives a little perspective to us pistons fans who were wailing after being down 2-1. (jerry)
The hawks are going to get blown out in game 5.
They are young and exciting and won 2 playoff games but i don’t see enough improvement coming from within a 37 win team or whatever they were to actually be a title contender any time soon.
They have Joe Johnson making franchise player type money when he’s really more of complimentary player….would you trade rip for him?
Starting next season their best player might be Horford. He’ll never be the most gifted athletically but he’ll be the best basketball player.
No team with josh smith as a leader will ever go anywhere meaningful.
All this said, theres no reason they shouldn’t improve next season and get themselves at least over .500 and be a winning team but thats still a far cry from a championship contender.
April 29, 2008 at 10:05 am |
The thing about that johnson contract, i don’t know the hawks contract situations but it seems like they aren’t going to be able to pay all these guys the money they want. This may be a situation where a team doesn’t have that long to grow together.
It shouldn’t be that surprising that the hawks won their home games, they were 25-16 at home and just 12-29 on the road during the regular season.
April 29, 2008 at 10:59 am |
you HATE josh smith. man dominated. and dominates.
joe dumars for coach? has that been discussed?
id like to see him trade the whole team.
f these lazy asses. they look like state students after a night of drinking and mennas.
last final today, then a take home exam.
go green!
redwings tonight. start the commentary now sloaner!
April 29, 2008 at 11:19 am |
No, joe dumars should never coach. His legacy would never be the same if he tried his hat at coaching. He has the respect of everyone because he’s smart enough to know where he’s best, which is in the front office.
Josh smith has great athletic ability but i don’t like his mentality. He’s certainly not a superstar but yes, he’s a good player.
He is not going to trade the whole team, thats a bad idea.
A better question is this, what tweak can be made in the off season to re-energize this team and give them more focus and desire without dropping the overall talent level. I’m not sure the young players are going to take a big enough step to actually come in and make a difference, this might be summer to make a 2 star for 1 type trade…but i’m not sure you can get the production back that you are going to be sending out, i don’t like the idea of taking a step back and missing the playoffs or any of that, i like winning.
While we all complain about the pistons dropping a game they shouldn’t lose to Philadelphia, its a much better alternative to have high expectations and a team that could possibly win the championship rather than a 30 win team where we are hoping the draft can bring us a star to help us next season.
April 29, 2008 at 11:44 am |
agreement here pat.
you obviously are thinking about trades. what 2 for 1 would you try to execute?
happy flying.
April 29, 2008 at 2:59 pm |
i’ll start working on trades. i’d like to get a legit, go-to alpha scorer. preferably low-post scorer.
April 29, 2008 at 3:41 pm |
we could have drafted chris bosh. thats what ive been saying all along.