The Vitale Proposition

Dick Vitale—who’s still predicting the MSU upset over Memphis—was talking about Hibbert’s foul trouble in his career-ending college game and he mentioned one of his pet issues. It’s not something that particularly worries me, but it’s something that I’ve never heard seriously discussed by anyone with hair.

Basically, he doesn’t like that so much of basketball is decided by refs. If you get a player into foul trouble then the whole course of a game changes. His idea is that after five fouls a coach should be able to leave the player in, but if they get called for another foul it means two shots and the opposing team gets the ball back.

What do you think? I’ll save my arguments for the comments.


11 Responses to “The Vitale Proposition”

  1. Pat Says:

    If you dont’ want to get into foul trouble and have to leave a game then don’t be a hack.

  2. sloan Says:

    hibbert’s not a hack.

    what about for games that go into OT?

  3. Kenny Says:

    I definitely can see some extra fouls for OT, maybe one extra foul for each OT. You get extra timeouts for OT, why not fouls.

    But in general I agree with pat. I think for the most part the refs to a pretty good job. Say they make one bad call, you still have to have received four legit fouls to be out of the game. Raymar morgan is constantly in foul trouble, and most of the time it’s because he tries to go for the strip and legitimately fouls the guy.

  4. Kenny Says:


    I know this is a basketball centric time of year with the NCAA tourney, and the approaching NBA playoffs, but you really couldn’t mention the tigers locking up arguably the best young hitter in baseball to a seven year deal?

    Or that granderson got hit by a pitch last week and is out for the next month?

    Or that the first game of the baseball season, something I’ve always loved watching was on at 6:05 am this morning? I understand the economic reasons for trying to expand the game’s markets, but as a baseball fan opening day isn’t supposed to be like this, right?

  5. sloan Says:

    i’m cautiously in favor of the change, because i like having the best players on the court, and i like the extra layer of strategizing that would happen… should we leave this guy in?

    also, say heintz is coming down the floor and gets hacked by hibbert (for his fifth foul.) now heintz sinks two free throws and his team still gets the ball. heintz gets the in bounds pass and nails a three. that’s a five point swing.

    i don’t think the vitale prop would necessarily encourage fouling or justify hackery.

  6. Pat Says:

    what about an offensive foul? would that be two shots and the ball?

    I just think it would be a gimmick that would hurt the game and change it in a negative way.

    the problem is that currently the threat of fouling out forces players to be conscious of their holding, grabbing and hacking. the more fouls u give the guys the more they are going to commit and the game gets slower, dirtier and more physical and its much more difficult to play offense and show off the best talent.

  7. zachary Says:

    didnt hib foul out in big east championship also?

    is there any bracket bitterness here jerry? i think vitale also had georgetown going to final 4, i sense some from his as well.

    what im more concerned with is people that think we should adopt international rules. please, let me know if im wrong, but basketball was INVENTED IN AMERICA by a man named James Naismith, we should force international teams to play by our rules. boycott the olympics babay!!

    In early December 1891, Dr. James Naismith,[1] a Canadian physical education student and instructor at YMCA Training School[2] (today, Springfield College) in Springfield, Massachusetts, USA, sought a vigorous indoor game to keep his students occupied and at proper levels of fitness during the long New England winters to keep the students in shape. After rejecting other ideas as either too rough or poorly suited to walled-in gymnasiums, he wrote the basic rules and nailed a peach basket onto a 10-foot (3.05 m) elevated track.

  8. sloan Says:

    see, i’m not sure that it would lead to more fouls. getting two shots and the ball is a big BIG penalty.

    that being said, the scope of the current problem isn’t very large—how often do great players foul out?

    i like the international rules, with the more wide open game.

  9. zachary Says:

    i sorta like an additional foul for OT, however once you foul out, you should be done.

  10. sloan Says:

    actually, i think it’d be kind of cool if your players got to come back in OT. imagine if kobe fouled out midway through the fourth and his team was praying they could make it through and get him back for OT. that’d be awesome.

  11. sloan Says:

    maybe not awesome. got a little ahead of myself there. but pretty cool.

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